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Thursday, April 17, 2014
Monday, April 7, 2014
Monday - Quick painting tips
Some wisdom that has been bestowed on me
1. Big brush, little paint. - Use the biggest brush you can with as little paint as possible. This gives you clean lines and shadows
2. Washes fix everything - Use washes. Brown for most things, black for whites and bright colours, typhus corrosion (with lots of water) for tanks, oxide (With lots of water) for metals
3. Its not a mistake its a feature. - Occasionally you will find a rough spot where some glue has settled, maybe a dint or a small gap. You can use some liquid green stuff or regular green stuff to hide it or you can make it a feature. darkbrown+Orange dry brushed gives a great corrosion effect.
4. Always do a test model. - This is something I occasionally ignore. But do one, write down what you do, as you do it and put the piece of paper in your paint box or army case. That way you can add new models later with the exact same method.
5. Layer for light colors - White spray has its draw backs, it is very unforgiving. Any slight gap is blaring white instead of a subtle dark shadow. If I'm painting a light colour I use the following - Dark Brown GW base colour, lighter brown colour with bigger brush, bleached bone with a bigger bush, final colour biggest brush that is practical.
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6. dry assemble and magnetise - People hate to pull models apart to change them . Magnetising options where you can is going to give you a more flexible army list.
1. Big brush, little paint. - Use the biggest brush you can with as little paint as possible. This gives you clean lines and shadows
2. Washes fix everything - Use washes. Brown for most things, black for whites and bright colours, typhus corrosion (with lots of water) for tanks, oxide (With lots of water) for metals
3. Its not a mistake its a feature. - Occasionally you will find a rough spot where some glue has settled, maybe a dint or a small gap. You can use some liquid green stuff or regular green stuff to hide it or you can make it a feature. darkbrown+Orange dry brushed gives a great corrosion effect.
4. Always do a test model. - This is something I occasionally ignore. But do one, write down what you do, as you do it and put the piece of paper in your paint box or army case. That way you can add new models later with the exact same method.
5. Layer for light colors - White spray has its draw backs, it is very unforgiving. Any slight gap is blaring white instead of a subtle dark shadow. If I'm painting a light colour I use the following - Dark Brown GW base colour, lighter brown colour with bigger brush, bleached bone with a bigger bush, final colour biggest brush that is practical.
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6. dry assemble and magnetise - People hate to pull models apart to change them . Magnetising options where you can is going to give you a more flexible army list.
Friday, April 4, 2014
Last nights game
THis is as best as I can remember it.
I got First turn, Night fighting turn one.
I started everything on the board, Noxus deepstriked his vespids
Turn 1
Wolves - Not much happened, everything charged forward except the whirlwind, stalker and scouts
Tau - Steal suits jumped forward and took out a vindicator for first blood a few other guys died but nothing major
Turn 2
Wolves - Razor backs take out the missile broadsides, insta gibs with las cannons, whirlwind and vindicator drop some pie plates. Stealth suits get assaulted and wiped by the fire hawks, sky claws fluff thier charge range and get stuck in the open.
Tau - 1 squad of Vespids come in, fluff their to wound rolls, kill a couple of sky claws. sky claws and assault marines take most of the damage both squads only have a few models left.
Turn 3
Wolves - Assault Marines and chapter master move in on some path finders and fire warriors, Wolf Lord charges a riptide and losses his squad in the process. pie plates are still going off,
Vespids get shot to pieces by the grey hunters.Assault marines charge both the fire warriors and path finders, win the combat, run down the fire warriors, path finders run into the open. Wolf lord draws combat with the rip tide.
Tau - Pathfinders fail to regroup, and are stuck in the open, 1 riptide in combat, second squad of vespids mishaps and get placed out of the way in the back corner. Crisis suit and the vespids do a little damage, second vindicator goes down. grey hunters fail moral and run out of charge range from the vespids, Assault marines are wiped and only the chapter master remains. wolf lord Lord and riptide both take wounds are are down to 1 wound each.
Turn 4
Wolves - Land speeders pop forward to use thier heavy flamers. path finders and fire warriors die. Chapter master charges the other riptide. 1 Riptide dies in combat. wolf lord is in the open.
Tau - Vespids charge shoot and then charge the wolf lord who is on one wound. They get wiped. wolf lord consolidates forward, Chapter master is killed by the other riptide. Crisis suit punches some tanks to death. both land speeders die.
Turn 5
Wolves - Wolf Lord charges the Etherial and kills him in a challange. his honor guard pass leadership and hang around. Crisis suit dies to bolt guns.
Tau - Honour gaurd die to the wolf lord, wolf lord consolidates with in 6 inches of the broadside and riptide. One squad of grey hunters gets killed and knocked of an objective.
Game ends. I have one objective
What was good in the wolf list
2 Characters with 2+3+ and eternal Warrior.
3 pie plates + orbital bombardment,
3 twin linked las cannons to instagib things.
I got First turn, Night fighting turn one.
I started everything on the board, Noxus deepstriked his vespids
Turn 1
Wolves - Not much happened, everything charged forward except the whirlwind, stalker and scouts
Tau - Steal suits jumped forward and took out a vindicator for first blood a few other guys died but nothing major
Turn 2
Wolves - Razor backs take out the missile broadsides, insta gibs with las cannons, whirlwind and vindicator drop some pie plates. Stealth suits get assaulted and wiped by the fire hawks, sky claws fluff thier charge range and get stuck in the open.
Tau - 1 squad of Vespids come in, fluff their to wound rolls, kill a couple of sky claws. sky claws and assault marines take most of the damage both squads only have a few models left.
Turn 3
Wolves - Assault Marines and chapter master move in on some path finders and fire warriors, Wolf Lord charges a riptide and losses his squad in the process. pie plates are still going off,
Vespids get shot to pieces by the grey hunters.Assault marines charge both the fire warriors and path finders, win the combat, run down the fire warriors, path finders run into the open. Wolf lord draws combat with the rip tide.
Tau - Pathfinders fail to regroup, and are stuck in the open, 1 riptide in combat, second squad of vespids mishaps and get placed out of the way in the back corner. Crisis suit and the vespids do a little damage, second vindicator goes down. grey hunters fail moral and run out of charge range from the vespids, Assault marines are wiped and only the chapter master remains. wolf lord Lord and riptide both take wounds are are down to 1 wound each.
Turn 4
Wolves - Land speeders pop forward to use thier heavy flamers. path finders and fire warriors die. Chapter master charges the other riptide. 1 Riptide dies in combat. wolf lord is in the open.
Tau - Vespids charge shoot and then charge the wolf lord who is on one wound. They get wiped. wolf lord consolidates forward, Chapter master is killed by the other riptide. Crisis suit punches some tanks to death. both land speeders die.
Turn 5
Wolves - Wolf Lord charges the Etherial and kills him in a challange. his honor guard pass leadership and hang around. Crisis suit dies to bolt guns.
Tau - Honour gaurd die to the wolf lord, wolf lord consolidates with in 6 inches of the broadside and riptide. One squad of grey hunters gets killed and knocked of an objective.
Game ends. I have one objective
What was good in the wolf list
2 Characters with 2+3+ and eternal Warrior.
3 pie plates + orbital bombardment,
3 twin linked las cannons to instagib things.
Thursday, April 3, 2014
BAV Army Pre Test Army List
BAV is a tournament coming up in the Hunter Valley in NSW on the first weekend in May.
For this they trailing a comp system which has been developed by a bunch of highly competitive players in Victoria, the system is points based, everyone starts with 20 points to spend on the composition of their army.
So if you take bikes, flyers, MC's or anything good expect to pay some comp points, sounds reasonable.
How this affects my army
Primary: Space Wolves
Space wolves take a comp hit for Run Priests, Wolf Guard, Wolf Cav, Characters on bikes and Woves, long fangs, more than 3 transports, drop pods, wolf standards or having more than 55 models. This is a 2000 point tournament so that does make tit hard to keep under the point limit.
HQ
Without my 2 go to HQ's of Rune priest or wolf lord on a thunder wolf I was a little stuck.
Characters generally also took a hit or were just plain not worth it. Bjorn the fell handed was one idea. Bjorn and his 3 merry dreadnoughts where an Idea I played with, but that would have meant buying 4 dreadnought. Not something that I can justify for 1 tournament
So something fast and assaulty.
Wolf Lord
- Jump Pack for Mobility
- Runic Armor, Storm Shield and Saga of the Bear so he survives the first shot.
- Thunder hammer because I ran out of power fists on the right side
Elites
No wolf guard, they cost a point, wolf scouts are pretty rubbish in 6th, I considered dreadnoughts and lone wolves but in the end spent my points else where.
Troops
Grey hunters are the only real choice for a low model army, 3 squads + Transports
I have a great deal of success with las cannon razor back recently at gosford shield so 3 of those
2 with melta, 1 with flamer
5 x Grey Hunters, Melta Gun, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
5 x Grey Hunters, Melta Gun, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
5 x Grey Hunters, Flamer, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
Fast Attack
First up I needed something for my wolf lord to run around with.
10 Sky Claws with a Power Fist.
Then I needed some more ranged fire power.
2 x Land Speeder - Heavy Flamers, Typhoon Missiles. I could have gone heavy bolter but I find the flamer more usefull, the ability to pop forward 12 inches and flame some infanty has proven more usefull that a couple of pot shots with a heavy bolter
Heavy Support
No Long Fangs. to much of a comp hit. The second best heavy support is of course the Vindicator.
This is now better in 6th ed with the whole template being full strength against vehicles. And Wolves still have them for cheap.
2 x Vindicator - Siege Shield
The next option is a little controversial. A Whirl Wind. Against space marines they do little to nothing. However against guard, Tau Infantry, Eldar Infantry this is a great little option. Hitting a unit that is out of site behind cover and ignoring cover, ignoring armor and woulding on a 2 is extremely usefull.
1 x Whirl Wind
At this point I needed some AA. Fortifications are out, same with flyers. That Leaves the Hunter, the Stalker or the Hydra.
I toyed with gaurd but they didn't fit so marines it is.
HQ
Wolf lord is so nice, might as well do it again.
Chapter Master - Jump Pack, Artificer Armor, Shield Eternal, Thunder Hammer.
Troops
This came about later, you'll see why. 5 Scouts - Sniper Rifles Cammo Cloaks
Fast Attack
10 Assault Marines, Power Fist
Heavy Support
Stalker - I'm trying this out for the first time. I find against Armor 12 quad gun style weapons are a little in effective. so go for the one with armor bane.
Chapter Tactics
This was a conundrum. I looked high and low. I went through the forge world chapter tactics, considered Fire Hawks, considered raven gaurd, white scars and even red hunters.
At the moment its Iron Hands for 6+FNP and It Will not die for my HQ and AA.
Trying this out tonight, Battle report to follow.
For this they trailing a comp system which has been developed by a bunch of highly competitive players in Victoria, the system is points based, everyone starts with 20 points to spend on the composition of their army.
So if you take bikes, flyers, MC's or anything good expect to pay some comp points, sounds reasonable.
How this affects my army
Primary: Space Wolves
Space wolves take a comp hit for Run Priests, Wolf Guard, Wolf Cav, Characters on bikes and Woves, long fangs, more than 3 transports, drop pods, wolf standards or having more than 55 models. This is a 2000 point tournament so that does make tit hard to keep under the point limit.
HQ
Without my 2 go to HQ's of Rune priest or wolf lord on a thunder wolf I was a little stuck.
Characters generally also took a hit or were just plain not worth it. Bjorn the fell handed was one idea. Bjorn and his 3 merry dreadnoughts where an Idea I played with, but that would have meant buying 4 dreadnought. Not something that I can justify for 1 tournament
So something fast and assaulty.
Wolf Lord
- Jump Pack for Mobility
- Runic Armor, Storm Shield and Saga of the Bear so he survives the first shot.
- Thunder hammer because I ran out of power fists on the right side
Elites
No wolf guard, they cost a point, wolf scouts are pretty rubbish in 6th, I considered dreadnoughts and lone wolves but in the end spent my points else where.
Troops
Grey hunters are the only real choice for a low model army, 3 squads + Transports
I have a great deal of success with las cannon razor back recently at gosford shield so 3 of those
2 with melta, 1 with flamer
5 x Grey Hunters, Melta Gun, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
5 x Grey Hunters, Melta Gun, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
5 x Grey Hunters, Flamer, Razor Back with Twin Linked Lascannon
Fast Attack
First up I needed something for my wolf lord to run around with.
10 Sky Claws with a Power Fist.
Then I needed some more ranged fire power.
2 x Land Speeder - Heavy Flamers, Typhoon Missiles. I could have gone heavy bolter but I find the flamer more usefull, the ability to pop forward 12 inches and flame some infanty has proven more usefull that a couple of pot shots with a heavy bolter
Heavy Support
No Long Fangs. to much of a comp hit. The second best heavy support is of course the Vindicator.
This is now better in 6th ed with the whole template being full strength against vehicles. And Wolves still have them for cheap.
2 x Vindicator - Siege Shield
The next option is a little controversial. A Whirl Wind. Against space marines they do little to nothing. However against guard, Tau Infantry, Eldar Infantry this is a great little option. Hitting a unit that is out of site behind cover and ignoring cover, ignoring armor and woulding on a 2 is extremely usefull.
1 x Whirl Wind
At this point I needed some AA. Fortifications are out, same with flyers. That Leaves the Hunter, the Stalker or the Hydra.
I toyed with gaurd but they didn't fit so marines it is.
HQ
Wolf lord is so nice, might as well do it again.
Chapter Master - Jump Pack, Artificer Armor, Shield Eternal, Thunder Hammer.
Troops
This came about later, you'll see why. 5 Scouts - Sniper Rifles Cammo Cloaks
Fast Attack
10 Assault Marines, Power Fist
Heavy Support
Stalker - I'm trying this out for the first time. I find against Armor 12 quad gun style weapons are a little in effective. so go for the one with armor bane.
Chapter Tactics
This was a conundrum. I looked high and low. I went through the forge world chapter tactics, considered Fire Hawks, considered raven gaurd, white scars and even red hunters.
At the moment its Iron Hands for 6+FNP and It Will not die for my HQ and AA.
Trying this out tonight, Battle report to follow.
Wednesday, April 2, 2014
Camp Con - The Army
Later this month I'm running a small event for a dozen friends, its 2500 Points, 8 games, 3 days, very laid back. Heavy on the beers and light on competitiveness. 1 Super Heavy, 2 org charts pretty much anything goes
My Army
Khan - Moondraken
5 Terminators - Cyclone Missile Launcher
2 x 4 Bikes+Attack Bike - 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Multi Melta
1 x 4 Bikes+Attack Bike - 2 Melta Guns, 1 Multi Melta
2 x Storm Talons - Typhoon Missiles
2 x Mortis Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts with Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons and Cyclone Missile Launchers
Predator - Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons
Warhound Titan - Double Barrelled Turbo Laser Destructor, Plasma Blast Cannon
27 Models.
This is designed for quick games. This will either win quickly or completely fall apart.
Khan and the bikes to quickly take out targets
The pred for ranged support against tanks and MC's
Termies to provide some range and protect the dreads and Warhound
Warhound because it was an excuse to finally get one.
Should be fun.
My Army
Khan - Moondraken
5 Terminators - Cyclone Missile Launcher
2 x 4 Bikes+Attack Bike - 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Multi Melta
1 x 4 Bikes+Attack Bike - 2 Melta Guns, 1 Multi Melta
2 x Storm Talons - Typhoon Missiles
2 x Mortis Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts with Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons and Cyclone Missile Launchers
Predator - Auto Cannon, Lascannon Sponsons
Warhound Titan - Double Barrelled Turbo Laser Destructor, Plasma Blast Cannon
27 Models.
This is designed for quick games. This will either win quickly or completely fall apart.
Khan and the bikes to quickly take out targets
The pred for ranged support against tanks and MC's
Termies to provide some range and protect the dreads and Warhound
Warhound because it was an excuse to finally get one.
Should be fun.
Tuesday, April 1, 2014
My Projects - The Whys
At the moment I'm building Iron Hands, White Scars, Salamanders, Crimson Fists, Ultra Marines, Raven Guard, Raptors, Fire Hawks, Blood Angles, Dark Angles, Space Wolves, Death Guard and Cadians
Space Wolves
So why all the armies.
The only army I have done consistently well with. This is my favorite army, I love the models, I love the fluff and the play style. Rune Priests and Wolf lords are among the best HQ's in the game, Grey Hunters are excelent troops that can either out shoot or out fight anything except Grey Knights Against Grey Knights your are relying on your heavy support and terminators to do the damage.
Their Heavy Support has cheap Vindicators and Long Fangs. They are let down a little in 6th Ed with wolf scouts no longer being able to assault from reserve, and Wolf Cav are highly over rated. but they are still a solid army and not something that you see in abundance
What I Run
Rune Priest
Wolf Guard
Lots of Grey Hunters with transport
Long Fangs
Hawk Lords - White Scars/Dark Angels
This is my fast army. This is what I take when I want the games over as quick as possible or when I don't want to carry a heap of modeles. Most people already know that bikes are fantastic in 6th ed. and Khan and the White Scar Chapter Tactics make this army very competitive.
I run Dark Angels stuff as a bit of fun. Belial, Sammy, Azreal. Its a little bit harder. Your Bike squads are worse and you have worse air support. I'm looking to add to this over time.
What I Run
Kharn
3 Squads of Bikes
2 Storm Talons
2 Mortis Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts
+ Filler (Tactical Marines, Vindicator)
Raptors - Ultra Marines/Raptors/Raven Guard
This is an old army that's been moved around dropped, broken, cannibalized, repaired., etc. I paited the army 4 years ago for a 2K tournament. Since then its had a lot of changes. I even ran it as space wolves for a while. d
Contemplating a repaint and selling the worst models. Ultras are in there for the Tactical Spam+Tigerius. Raptors are in there for their special character. Raven Guard because why the hell not. This is my marine horde army lots of bodies, bit of movement but mainly a gun line force
What I Run
Lias Issadon
Tigerius
Chapter Master
20 Stern Guard
Terminators
30-50 Tactical Marines
3 Rhinos
Scounts in a Storm
Storm Talon
2 Thunder Fire Cannons
Devestators
Molten Eagles - Blood Angels/Fire Hawks
This is a fun army. Its fast but should do well in a comp environment. It lacks subtlety its a tidal wave that runs straight at you and hopes for the best.
What I run
Captain/Chapter Master
Librarian
Honour Guard
20 Assault Marines
Death Company
Storm Raven
Imperial Fists/Crimson Fists/Salamanders
This is my latest work in progress. Stern Guard, dreadnought, Tactical Marines in a drop pods backed up by scouts and thunder fire cannons. Still have not started this army yet. Not sure how to paint it.
I already have a Blue/Grey, red/orange, Green/brown, purple and gold and white and green armies
Leaves Yellow and black which could work nicely. Need some different should pads than imperial fist so that I can use it for what ever chapter I feel like
Current Models
Pedro
Vulkan
Stern guard
Tactical Marines
5 Drop Pods
Thunder Fire Cannon
Devestators
Scouts
Dreadnought
Cadians
Allies for everyone guard is great for filling gaps - need more bodies take a Blob, Need more tanks, artillery, air support, then guard has an answer for everything
What I Run
Psykers,
Yarrik
Blobs
Vets
Vendettas
Collossus Mortar
Nurgle
This started as a painting exercise for my first 6th ed tournament. I build an army that managed 6 draws out of 8 games. This is an anti attrition army. I'd like to mix some guard in for the real trench warfare feel.
What I Run
Nurgle Lord
4 x 7 plauge Marines
Oblits
Forge Fiends
1 Hell Drake
Bikes
Terminators
Friday, March 28, 2014
This weekend
Plan for the weekend
1. Organise house and by extention my war gaming stuff
2. Decide what to keep and what to sell, time for a clean out
3. Paint the Bav Army
4. Finish my chaos army. I only have 7 or so models left to paint.
5. Take and post photos
Wednesday, March 26, 2014
Back with a couple of lists
Back, Again for Now.
Couple of things I've been up to.
My own tournament - Campcon. Camping out in the hunter valley of NSW. keeping it small for the first year, might boost it up next year.
2500 Points 6 games, 3 days
My list
White Scars
HQ
Kharne + Moon Draken
Elites
5 Terminators - Cyclone Missile Launcher
Troops
4 Bikes, 1 attack Bike - Vet sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikes, 1 attack Bike - Vet sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikes, 1 attack Bike - Vet sgt, 2 Meltaa Guns, Multi Melta
Fast Attack
Storm Talon Gun Ship - Typhoon Missiles
Storm Talon Gun Ship - Typhoon Missiles
Heavy Support
Morttis Contemptor Dreadnought - 2 x Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons, Cyclone Missile Launcher
Morttis Contemptor Dreadnought - 2 x Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons, Cyclone Missile Launcher
Predator - Auto Cannon, LasCannon Sponsons
Super Heavy
War Hound Titan - Plasma Blast Cannon, Double Barrelled Turbo Laser Destructor
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The Week after if BAV in Greta, 2000 points High Comp
List is
Primary - Space Wolves
Wolf Lord - Jump Pack, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Runic Armour, Saga of the Bear
5 x Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Razor Back - Twin Linked Las Cannon
5 x Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Razor Back - Twin Linked Las Cannon
5 x Grey Hunters - Flamer
Razor Back - Twin Linked Las Cannon
Land Speeder - Heavy Flamer, Typhoon Missiles
Land Speeder - Heavy Flamer, Typhoon Missiles
10 Sky Claws - Power Fist
Vindicator - Siege Shield
Vindicator - Siege Shield
Whirl Wind
Secondary Detachment - Iron Hands
Chapter Master - Thunder Hammer, Shield Eternal, Aritificer Armor, Jump Pack
5 Scouts - Sniper Rifles
10 Assault Marines - Power Fist
Hunter
so far thats getting full comp.
Friday, October 11, 2013
1000 Points Wolves For Local Event
HQ
Rune Priest - Melta Bombs, Chooser of the slain, Divination
Elites
3 Wolf Guard - 2 Combi Melta, 1 Combi Flamer
Troops
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun, Power Axe
Drop Pod
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun, Power Axe
Drop Pod
10 Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
Drop Pod
Heavy Support
6 Long Fangs - 5 Missile Launchers
Fortifications
Defence Line w/Quad Gun.
Thursday, October 10, 2013
2 quick lists
BAV Charity Army - - Iron Hands -- 2000 Points
HQ
Chapter Master - Bike, Burning Blade, Shield Eternal, Melta Bombs
Elites
Dreadnought - Twin Linked Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Dreadnought - Twin Linked Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Troops
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - 2 Grav Guns, Multi Melta
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun, Las Cannon, Rhino
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun, Las Cannon, Rhino
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt w/Bolt Pistol and Power Sword, 4 Shotguns, Land Speeder Storm w/Heavy Flamer
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt, 4 Snipers, Missile Launcher, Cammo Cloaks
Fast Attack
Land Speeder Storm
Heavy Support
5 Devestators - Vet Sgt, 4 Missile Launchers, Flak
5 Devestators - Vet Sgt, 4 Missile Launchers, Flak
Thunder Fire Cannon
Fortifications
Defence Line w/Quad Gun
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List 2
White Scars - 1750 for Cancon
HQ
Kharn
Troops
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Melta Guns, Multi Melta
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Melta, Meltagun, Multi Melta, Rhino
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Melta, Meltagun, Multi Melta, Rhino
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt w/Bolt Pistol and Power Sword, 4 Shotguns, Land Speeder Storm w/Heavy Flamer
Fast Attack
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missile Launcher
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missile Launcher
Heavy Support
Thunder Fire Cannon
Thunder Fire Cannon
HQ
Chapter Master - Bike, Burning Blade, Shield Eternal, Melta Bombs
Elites
Dreadnought - Twin Linked Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Dreadnought - Twin Linked Lascannon, Missile Launcher
Troops
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - 2 Grav Guns, Multi Melta
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun, Las Cannon, Rhino
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun, Las Cannon, Rhino
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt w/Bolt Pistol and Power Sword, 4 Shotguns, Land Speeder Storm w/Heavy Flamer
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt, 4 Snipers, Missile Launcher, Cammo Cloaks
Fast Attack
Land Speeder Storm
Heavy Support
5 Devestators - Vet Sgt, 4 Missile Launchers, Flak
5 Devestators - Vet Sgt, 4 Missile Launchers, Flak
Thunder Fire Cannon
Fortifications
Defence Line w/Quad Gun
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List 2
White Scars - 1750 for Cancon
HQ
Kharn
Troops
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Plasma Guns, Multi Melta
4 Bikers, 1 Attack Bike - Vet Sgt, 2 Melta Guns, Multi Melta
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Melta, Meltagun, Multi Melta, Rhino
10 Tactical Marines - Vet Sgt, Combi Melta, Meltagun, Multi Melta, Rhino
5 Scouts - Vet Sgt w/Bolt Pistol and Power Sword, 4 Shotguns, Land Speeder Storm w/Heavy Flamer
Fast Attack
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missile Launcher
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missile Launcher
Heavy Support
Thunder Fire Cannon
Thunder Fire Cannon
Monday, September 23, 2013
quick list
List for MOAB, 1250 Points
Space Marines - White Scars
Khan on a Bike
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Melta's, multi melta
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Plasma guns, multi melta
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Plasma gun, multi melta
Mortis Contemptor Dread - 2 Ass Cannons, Cyclone
Mortis Contemptor Dread - 2 Ass Cannons, Cyclone
Vindicator w/ Siege Shield
Space Marines - White Scars
Khan on a Bike
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Melta's, multi melta
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Plasma guns, multi melta
4 Bikes, 1 Attack Bike - Sgt, 2 Plasma gun, multi melta
Mortis Contemptor Dread - 2 Ass Cannons, Cyclone
Mortis Contemptor Dread - 2 Ass Cannons, Cyclone
Vindicator w/ Siege Shield
Wednesday, August 7, 2013
BAV Charity Project - Pick a Paint Scheme
For the last month or so I have been working on a charity project asking gamers to donate old models which we will then strip repair and customise into an army which will be raffled off at Battle Around the Vines on the 4th of May next year.
Ticket sales will start soon. Just working through some of the logistics.
Above I am asking people to vote on a paint scheme, the final list will be worked out once the new Space Marine codex is released , hopefully next month.
So vote above and comment below.
So far I have collected
HQ's
Terminator Librarian
Terminator Chaplain
Captain/Chapter Master - Might go crazy and do a magnetized all options model here
Command Squad
Elites
5 Terminators
5 Assault Terminators
10 Stern Guard
2 Dreadnoughts
1 Iron Clad Dreadnought
Tech Marine + Servitors
Troops
Heaps of Marines
Heaps of Scouts
Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron
Land Speeder Storm
Heave Support
Thunder Fire Cannon
Devastators
Transports
2 Rhinos
1 Drop Pod
Fortifications
Defense line with quad gun
Apoc
2 Blane Blades
Ticket sales will start soon. Just working through some of the logistics.
Above I am asking people to vote on a paint scheme, the final list will be worked out once the new Space Marine codex is released , hopefully next month.
So vote above and comment below.
So far I have collected
HQ's
Terminator Librarian
Terminator Chaplain
Captain/Chapter Master - Might go crazy and do a magnetized all options model here
Command Squad
Elites
5 Terminators
5 Assault Terminators
10 Stern Guard
2 Dreadnoughts
1 Iron Clad Dreadnought
Tech Marine + Servitors
Troops
Heaps of Marines
Heaps of Scouts
Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron
Land Speeder Storm
Heave Support
Thunder Fire Cannon
Devastators
Transports
2 Rhinos
1 Drop Pod
Fortifications
Defense line with quad gun
Apoc
2 Blane Blades
Tuesday, July 30, 2013
Big Hammer - 3000 Points 2 org Charts
Quick list for a Tuesday
Space Marines
Librarian - Terminator Armor, Force Axe, Storm Shield, Null Zone, Avenger
5 Terminators - Heavy Flamer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon, Hunter Killer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon, Hunter Killer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon
5 Scouts - Snipers, 1 Missile
5 Scouts - Snipers, 1 Missile
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missiles
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missiles
Storm Talon - Skyhammer Missiles
Storm Raven - Twin Linked Assault Cannon, Twin Linked Multi Melta
Thunder Fire Cannon
Thunder Fire Cannon
Defence Line - Quad Gun
Imperial Guard
Primaris Psyker - Pyromancy
Veteran Squad - Demo, 2 Meltas, Heavy Flamer
Veteran Squad - Demo, 2 Flamers, Heavy Flamer
Vendetta
Vendetta
Sentinel - Auto Cannon
Griffon Mortar
Leman Rus Battle Tank - Las Cannon
Hydra
Defence Line
Quad Gun
I'm practice I found that air superiority is key 6 Flyers, 3 Anti Air units, a smattering of AT and Anti Horde. bunch of shooting and some assault elements. I'll post the results monday.
I'm also reopening the comments, so let me know if you're out there.
Space Marines
Librarian - Terminator Armor, Force Axe, Storm Shield, Null Zone, Avenger
5 Terminators - Heavy Flamer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon, Hunter Killer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon, Hunter Killer
5 Tactical Marines
Razor Back - Twin Linked Lascannon
5 Scouts - Snipers, 1 Missile
5 Scouts - Snipers, 1 Missile
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missiles
Storm Talon - Typhoon Missiles
Storm Talon - Skyhammer Missiles
Storm Raven - Twin Linked Assault Cannon, Twin Linked Multi Melta
Thunder Fire Cannon
Thunder Fire Cannon
Defence Line - Quad Gun
Imperial Guard
Primaris Psyker - Pyromancy
Veteran Squad - Demo, 2 Meltas, Heavy Flamer
Veteran Squad - Demo, 2 Flamers, Heavy Flamer
Vendetta
Vendetta
Sentinel - Auto Cannon
Griffon Mortar
Leman Rus Battle Tank - Las Cannon
Hydra
Defence Line
Quad Gun
I'm practice I found that air superiority is key 6 Flyers, 3 Anti Air units, a smattering of AT and Anti Horde. bunch of shooting and some assault elements. I'll post the results monday.
I'm also reopening the comments, so let me know if you're out there.
Thursday, July 25, 2013
Goings on - Army update and new Charity Project
It's been a while but I have decided to spend some more time blogging again.
What I've been up to
- Sold a bunch of stuff
- Bought a bunch of stuff
- Repainted a few armies
- Started a Charity Project
Currently Working on
Space Marines/ Dark Angles In Hawk Lords Colors
Finished Models
- Bike Captain
- 3 Squads of Bikes
- 5 Scouts
- 2 Storm Talons
- 1 Whirlwind
Started Models
- 2 More Squads of Bikes
- 2 Tactical Squads
- 1 more Storm Talon
- 2 Thunder Fire Cannons
Not Started
- 5 Terminators
- Samael
- Belial
- Azreal
- 2 Librarians
- More Characters
- 2 Contemptors
Space Wolves/Blood Angels - Painted as Raptors
Finished
- Librarian/Rune Priest
- 3 Grey hunter squads/Tactical Squads
- 2 Rhinos
- 1 Razor Back
- 10 Wolf Guard/Sgts
- Wolf Lord
- 2 x Long fangs/Devestators
- 2 x Scout Squads
Started
-1 Rhino
- 2 x Grey Hunters/Tactical Squads
- 1 x Foot assault Squad/Blood claws
- 3 Vindicators
- 3 Pods
More Scouts
Not Started
- Jump Pack Comand Squad
- 3-6 Sanguinary Priest
- 20 Assault Marines
- Tech Marine + Servitors
- Characters
- Bjorn Dread
Grey Knights - Exorcists Theme
Not Started
- Grey Knights
- Terminators
- Characters
- Storm Raven
- Dreadnought
Guard
Finished
- Yarrick
- Psyker
- Command
- Platoon Command
- 3 Infantry Squads
- Artillery gun
Started
- 2 Vendettas
Not started
- Sentinel
- Hydra
- Leman Rus
Chaos Death Guard
Finished
- Typhus
- lord of Nurgle
- Herald of Nurgle/Lord
- 35 Plague Marines
- 35 Zombies/Plauge Barers
- 2 Deamon Princes of Nurgle
- Heldrake
- 3 Obliterators
- 2 Forge Fiends
Misc
- 3 Defence lines
This year for a fund raiser we will be trying something new.
I will be asking for people to donate their old and unwanted models.
I and maybe a few other volunteers will then strip, clean repair and repaint them
I am hoping that we can put together a 2000-3000 point army between us which will then be raffled off at BaV.
I will be donating my time, paint, Brushes and a display board.
I am Not sure how ticket sales will be done yet
Once the models start coming in there will be a poll to decide the color scheme, This may get fluffy depending on what gets donated.
I am entertaining the idea that Major contributors will get a few free tickets, as a thank you to Bigest contributor/s I will be creating small trophies.
So please, pledge models below, I will be collecting models at Lords of Terra, MOAB and possibly Cancon or PM me and we can work something out.
I am Mainly looking for marines but Guard, GK or Sisters of battle are also good. if you want to donate anything else I will try to incorporate it.
Good Games Gosford has agreed to be a collection center.
You can drop off or post models to
Level 1, 135 Mann St
Gosford, NSW 2250
Alternatively PM me and we can work something out.
Any questions let me know.
MODElLING DIARY
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I will kick things off by Donating
1 Landspeeder typhoon
1 Lascannon Missil Launcher Dread
10 Robed Veteran Marines
1 display Board
What I've been up to
- Sold a bunch of stuff
- Bought a bunch of stuff
- Repainted a few armies
- Started a Charity Project
Currently Working on
Space Marines/ Dark Angles In Hawk Lords Colors
Finished Models
- Bike Captain
- 3 Squads of Bikes
- 5 Scouts
- 2 Storm Talons
- 1 Whirlwind
Started Models
- 2 More Squads of Bikes
- 2 Tactical Squads
- 1 more Storm Talon
- 2 Thunder Fire Cannons
Not Started
- 5 Terminators
- Samael
- Belial
- Azreal
- 2 Librarians
- More Characters
- 2 Contemptors
Space Wolves/Blood Angels - Painted as Raptors
Finished
- Librarian/Rune Priest
- 3 Grey hunter squads/Tactical Squads
- 2 Rhinos
- 1 Razor Back
- 10 Wolf Guard/Sgts
- Wolf Lord
- 2 x Long fangs/Devestators
- 2 x Scout Squads
Started
-1 Rhino
- 2 x Grey Hunters/Tactical Squads
- 1 x Foot assault Squad/Blood claws
- 3 Vindicators
- 3 Pods
More Scouts
Not Started
- Jump Pack Comand Squad
- 3-6 Sanguinary Priest
- 20 Assault Marines
- Tech Marine + Servitors
- Characters
- Bjorn Dread
Grey Knights - Exorcists Theme
Not Started
- Grey Knights
- Terminators
- Characters
- Storm Raven
- Dreadnought
Guard
Finished
- Yarrick
- Psyker
- Command
- Platoon Command
- 3 Infantry Squads
- Artillery gun
Started
- 2 Vendettas
Not started
- Sentinel
- Hydra
- Leman Rus
Chaos Death Guard
Finished
- Typhus
- lord of Nurgle
- Herald of Nurgle/Lord
- 35 Plague Marines
- 35 Zombies/Plauge Barers
- 2 Deamon Princes of Nurgle
- Heldrake
- 3 Obliterators
- 2 Forge Fiends
Misc
- 3 Defence lines
Charity Project
On Top of the above I have started a Charity Project. Run in Conjection with Battle Around the VinesThis year for a fund raiser we will be trying something new.
I will be asking for people to donate their old and unwanted models.
I and maybe a few other volunteers will then strip, clean repair and repaint them
I am hoping that we can put together a 2000-3000 point army between us which will then be raffled off at BaV.
I will be donating my time, paint, Brushes and a display board.
I am Not sure how ticket sales will be done yet
Once the models start coming in there will be a poll to decide the color scheme, This may get fluffy depending on what gets donated.
I am entertaining the idea that Major contributors will get a few free tickets, as a thank you to Bigest contributor/s I will be creating small trophies.
So please, pledge models below, I will be collecting models at Lords of Terra, MOAB and possibly Cancon or PM me and we can work something out.
I am Mainly looking for marines but Guard, GK or Sisters of battle are also good. if you want to donate anything else I will try to incorporate it.
Good Games Gosford has agreed to be a collection center.
You can drop off or post models to
Level 1, 135 Mann St
Gosford, NSW 2250
Alternatively PM me and we can work something out.
Any questions let me know.
MODElLING DIARY
_____________________________________________________________________
I will kick things off by Donating
1 Landspeeder typhoon
1 Lascannon Missil Launcher Dread
10 Robed Veteran Marines
1 display Board
Monday, February 20, 2012
Thoughts on wolves, 2 years in
I've been playing wolves for 2 Years now. I've managed 2 firsts, a couple of seconds and even a wooden spoon with them.
I know some one must be reading this, drop me a comment any feedback is good feedback,
So here is what I have learnt, this will probably fly in the face of popular opinion and even my own previous advice
HQ's
Rune priest is the only one worth a damn. And even he is a bit average. Livining lighting and murderous hurricane rock, every thing else is a little to situational
ELITES
Wolf guard are great. Should be attached to every other squad.
Scouts - Good but not great, too unpredictable and in the games they do well I've rarely found them game breaking.
Troops
9 grey hunters w/Melta gun, Wolf guard attached with a power fist and combi melta.
If using pods consider a plasma pistol, banner is OK. sometimes.
Fast attack
I have seen thunder wolves do great things. But I cannot see myself running them. When they work, great but if they fail, you;re screwed.
Heavy Support - I prefer a Mechanised option here, Vindicators for horde control, Preds for ranged support
Transports - You have an army designed for short range, Move as a group and lash out. move fast, engage quickly
WHAT I RUN
Rune Priest, Lightning,. hurricane, Great utility character, avoid getting him out of his rhino
wolf guard, usually minimum, with a drop pod. Wolf guard get assigned to squds, pod drops empty means everything hits turn 1.
Grey hunters, 4 squads in rhinos, 2 in pods
Trialling vindicators in heavy support.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Now for something different
Quick list, Empire for local event
Lords
Arch Lector - Great weapon, heavy Armor
wizard Lord - Life Magic, lvl 4
Heros
Captain - BSB, heavy armor
Warrior Priest - 2 hand weapons, heavy armor
Wizard - Metal - Lvl 2
Wizard - Fire - Lvl 2
Wizard - Light - Lvl 2
Wizard - Space - Lvl 2
CORE
30 Halbads - Musician, banner
12 Cross Bows
10 Rifles - Marksman, Long Rifle
10 Rifles - Marksman, Long Rifle
10 Rifles - Marksman, Long Rifle
10 Rifles - Marksman, Long Rifle
Special
30 Great Swords - Musician, Banner
Great Cannon
Great Cannon
Mortar
Rare
Hell Blaster Rocket battery
Hell Storm Volley gun
Wednesday, February 1, 2012
Back From Cancon
quick update
- Came 12th,
- Won 6 games out of 8
- Njal was completely useless and will never be used again
- Scouts are still situational, good in small points but in big points I have a better Idea
Thoughts on taking this to 2000 points for Battle in the Vines.
HQ
Rune Priest - Living Lightning, Murderous Hurricane
ELITES
10 Wolf Guard
- 1 x terminator, cyclone, fist
- 1 x terminator, cyclone, power wep
- 2 x Combi Melta, Power Fist
- 4 x Combi Melta
- 2 x Combi Flamer
DROP POD
10 Wolf Guard
- 1 x terminator, Assault Cannon, fist
- 1 x terminator, Assault Cannon, power wep
- 3 x Combi Melta, Power Fist
- 3 x Combi Melta
- 2 x Combi Flamer
DROP POD
TROOPS
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
8 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
8 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Drop Pod
HEAVY SUPPORT
Vindicator - Siege Shield
Vindicator - Siege Shield
Tuesday, January 24, 2012
its back, for now
Its been a long long time, but I'm back. For now.
What I've been up to....
Comments are dead due to foreign language spam, Pics will start after cancon.
Sold my Red marines, blue wolves, nurgle chaos warriors.
Painted my Raptors and adapted them to space wolves codex.
Painted a fire hawks army I hate, Will be scrapping and salvaging
Current Works
1. Raptors (C:SM, C:SW)
2. WFB Empire
3. Angels of Absolution Raven Wing (Raven wing/SM Bikes)
4. Sons of Medusa (C:SM/C:BA)
5. Tau
6. Chaos Undecided - Khorne and Nurgle Maines - Pending Dex
7. Chaos Undecided Daemons - Pending Dex
Quick List - Taking the following to Cancon.
HQ
Njal
Elites
5 Wolf Guard - 4 x Fist and Melta, 1 x Termie, cyclone, fist, storm bolter
Drop Pod
7 Wolf Scouts - Melta
Troops
10 Grey Hunters - 2 x Plasma guns
Rhino
10 Grey Hunters - 2 x Plasma guns
Rhino
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
8 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Rhino
9 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Drop Pod
8 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun
Drop Pod
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2 weeks since I submitted it there are a few things I'd change, but not much, Njal is an experiment, Not expecting much. Update you in a week ish
Thursday, March 10, 2011
5 months later.....
just a quick one.
What I've been doing...
2nd at MOAB with Wolves
1st at Coastal Assault with wolves
1st at CanCon with wolves
4th at Gosford Shield with GreyKnights (old/current dex)
Redoing my codex marines - now Astral Hawks
THE FUTURE!!!!!!
- BiV - Generic Marines
- Pedro
- 3 x 10 Stern Guard w/fist, 2 combi meltas, 2 Lascannons, Razor Back
- 1 x 10 Tac Marines w/fist, combi melta, melta gun, missile, Razor Back
- 5 Scouts - 4 snipers, 1 Missile
- 2 x Thunder Fire Cannons
- 7 Devestators - 4 Plasma Cannons
- Gosford Good Games Painting Comp
- Drop wolves for High lords of Tera
hope for photos soon, camera is experiencing technical difficulties
Saturday, November 20, 2010
Quick Update
It's been a while. This blog was started as something to fill in time at my last job, in june I changed jobs, I'm much happier but have alot less free time.
What I've been Up to
- Space wolves are nearly finished, will be a 2K army when finally done
- I've rolled a bunch of stuff I haven't used in a while into 2 other armies
- I started a fantasy army Chaos Wariors
- I placed 2nd at MOAB this year as well, with highest battle points.
So, big 6 months. Here is a quick run down of the lists, will be doing a pictures over my Christmas break
start at the top
MOAB List that got me 2nd place
Space Wolves, 1250 Points
HQ
Rune Priest - Living Lightning, Merderous Huricane - Did well but will swap huicane from tempests wrath in the next tournament
ELITE
10 x Wolf Guard - 5 x CCW, Bolt Pistol
- 2 x Terminator, Assault Cannon, Power fist
- 2 x Combi-Melta, Power Fist
- 1 x Power Fist, Bolt Pistol
TROOPS
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns
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Full 2K Wolf list
HQ
- Wolf Lord - Terminator, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear
- Wolf Lord - Terminator, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear
- Rune Priest - Living Lightning, Merderous Hurricane
- Rune Priest - Living Lightning, Tempest wrath, Chooser of the slain
Elites
10 Wolf Scouts - Melta Gun
10 Wolf Guard -1 x Terminator, Cyclone Missiles, Storm Bolter, Power Fist
-1 x Terminator, Assault Cannon, Power Fist
-4 x Terminator, Storm Bolter, Power Fist
-1 x Terminator, Storm Bolter, Chain Fist
-3 x Combi Melta, Power Fist
TROOPS
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns
10 x Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns
HEAVY SUPPORT
6 Long Fangs - 5 Missile Launchers
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Project 2 Warriors of Chaos
Lv 4 Sorcerer of Death
Exalted Hero - Horse, Halbad, Shield, BSB, Mark of Khorne
Festus the Leach Lord
3 x 12 Chaos Worriors - 2 hand Weapons, Banner, Musician, Mark of Nurgle
2 x 24 Marauders - Banner, Musician, Mark of Nurgle
5 x Marauder Horsemen - Spears, Musician, Banner, Mark of Khorne
5 x Chaos Knights - Banner, Musician, Mark of Khorne
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Project 3 Crimson Fists - Fast, Ignores cover
Pedro Kantor
Librarian - Avenger, Gate
10 Stern Guard - Power fist, 3 x Combi Meltas, 2 Heavy Flamers, Drop Pod
10 Stern Guard - Power fist, 3 x Combi Meltas, 2 Heavy Flamers, Drop Pod
Dreadnought - Plasma Cannon, CCW, Heavy Flamer
10 x Tactical Marines - Melta gun, Multi Melta
10 x Tactical Marines - Melta gun, Multi Melta
5 x Scouts - Sgt w/Power Fist, Shotgun, 4 x Shotguns
Land Speeder Storm
Land Speeder - Heavy Bolter, Typhoon Missiles
Land Speeder - Multi Melta, Typhoon Missiles
Thunder Fire Cannon - Drop Pod
Whirl Wind
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Project 4 - Imperial Fists
Lysander
Master of the Forge - Conversion Beemer
5 x Terminators - Thunder hammer and Storm Shiled
Land Raider - Multi Melta
Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Lascannon, Razor Back
Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Lascannon, Razor Back
Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Lascannon, Razor Back
Predator - Auto Cannon, Lascannon sponsons
Predator - Auto Cannon, Lascannon sponsons
10 Devestators - 2 x Missile Launchers, 2 x Plasma Cannons, Razor Back
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