Noob Mistakes - Learn From my Fail

I have decided to take 2010 as a year of reflection to work out where I am in my hobby and in life in general. When preping for an appoc game it dawned on me that I had 12,000 points of marines. It dawned on me I could make at least 5 decent armies out of that

My current army who I have been using for the last 18 months is about the following

- Wins 6 or 7 out of every 10 games

- Gets 5 out of 10 for Presentation

- Gets 5 out of 10 for composition

Not a bad army just consistently average. Here are some basic mistakes I made when I started

1. Get the Guy at the shop to help you paint your first mini

This will save endless wasted time and paint. I liked the idea of Red Marines. Mechrite Red foundation makes this so much easier. Simple tips will drastic improvements to the speed and quality of your painting

2. Don't be afraid to proxy

I built a BA army and found I liked shooty armies. Borrow models, Proxy, avoid puting guns/upgrades on till your sure you like them. Proxy a small army play with the composition till YOU are comfortable.

3. Start Small

Something I am guilty of, something I want to break away from. Play at least a few games with what you have, work out what you are lacking, then buy. I have impulse bought alot of minis and even 2 complete armies. I ended up with 2 tables of models, none of which were complete.

4. Pick a Goal

Pick a tournament, league game, event, arbitrary figure, say 1750 Points of Space wolves for Lords of Terra. Plan it, Build it, paint it. Then decide on your next project. I usually have side projects for when I hit a wall, usually something different or creative like my Chaos army.

5. DO ONE THING AND DO IT WELL!!!!

This is the best advice I have ever received. Focus, focus, focus. 1 Plasma gun will not do you any good. 8 Plasma guns is very effective. 1 Thunder Fire in a mech force is a target, 1 Thunder Fire backed up by devastators, Tac Marines, long range Dreads or a whirl wind is a major head ache for your opponent.

Pick a focus

- Everything outflanks, infitrates or deepstrikes

- Cause as many wounds as possible

- As Many infantry as possible

- Leaf blower is a great example of this

WHERE AM I GOING

PROJECT 1 - SPACE WOLVES

Getting 1750 Ready for LoT - Will be my go to army for the forseable

Army list (Total Army)

- Wolf Guard Battle Leader

- Rune Priest

- 38 Grey Hunters

- 2 Dreadnoughts

- 10 Wolf Guard Terminators

- 7 Wolf Scouts

- 2 Vindicators

- 6 Long Fangs

- Land Raider Crusader

GOAL - COMPLETE ALL BY JULY 1

PROJECT 2 - BLOOD ANGELS

Something A little Different for me.

ARMY LIST

- Chaplain

- Lemartes

- 30 Assault Marines

- 10 Death Company

- 7 Bikers (need more)

- 2 Dreadnoughts

- More units to be added after the codex is out.

GOAL - COMPLETE ALL BY OCTOBER 1

PROJECT 3 - RAPTORS, C:SM

Raptors will replace my red skulls as my dedicated shooty army. Somewhat inspired by "Generation Kill"

ARMY LIST

- Captain

- 40 Tactical Marines

- 4 Razor Backs

- 3 Dreadnoughts

- 3 Predators

GOAL - Complete ALL by January 1, 2011

PROJECT 4 - CHAOS

This is more as a nice to paint army than competitive. No subtlety, trying for big and scary.

ARMY LIST

- Daemon Prince

- Kharne The Betrayer

- Khorne Berzerkers

- Rhinos

- Chaos Space Marines

- Defilers

- Greater Daemon

PROJECT 5 - BLACK TEMPLARS

I have some minis, I am hearing rumbling of a codex. This is probably going to be a horde army. If possible 6 x 20 man squads backed up by terminators, dreadnoughts and maybe devastators

PROJECT 6 - MENTOR LEGION - DARK ANGELS CODEX

If it ever gets re-released this will be my DA army. I have 2 Land Raiders and 30 Terminators set aside. I may also throw in Tactical Squads, Dreadnoughts and Devastators at the time.

Project Update - Good Bye Cadians

SELLING STUFF

Well its official, the 634th Cadian is getting disbanded. And by that I mean traded for a Pred, Dread, Land Raider, Drop Pod and crap ton of marines from a friend.

I will also be selling of a bunch of minis I bought and then never used like Logan Griman, Canis Wolfborn, Marneus Calgar at the Battle in the vines bring and buy. I am also putting my battle company up for sale at Battle in the Vines. More I'll sell it for the right amount than I want to get rid of it at any price.

SPACE WOLVES

Current LGB list has a Battle Leader, Rune Priest, 38 Grey Hunters, 3 Rhinos, 2 Dreads, 2 Vindicators. Its a little lacking in Range but with the missions (DoW w/ 10 Objectives 1 removed each player turn, Pitched battle w/modified kill points, Pitched Battle w/ 3 objectives on centre line of table and spear head w/ table quarters) don't think this will be too much of an issue.

BLOOD ANGELS

Still not sure where I will go with this list. Waiting for the codex, This may be my horde army.

SPACE MARINES

I will be doing a space marine army. Maybe Raptors. Pred, Razor Back, Dread and Tactial Marine heavy.

I already have Blue and Red Marines. I am also planning Black Templars and Mentor Legion. I would prefer to avoid these colours, A friend already runs Imperial Fists so they're out. Suggestions appreciated.

CHAOS SPACE MARINES

Assembly has started on my Berzerkers, Paint has started on my Daemon Prince. I'm also working on warping some terminators to show their fall to Khorn.

Let Gosford Burn - New List

Here is the latest list for the tournament on May 30 at Gosford Good Games.

Codex: Space Wolves, 1500 Points

Egil Iron Wolfs Great Company - Hunting Pack

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Frost Axe, Storm Shield - 125 Points - Dirt cheap and effective in combat, We will be put in a rhino with y rune priest and 5 grey hunters to try and help my the priest survive shooting and assaults.

Rune Priest - Runic Weapon, Bolt Bistol, Chooser of the Slain, Living Lightning, Jaws of the World Wolf - 110 Points - Cheap and effective. Living lightning had an unlimited range which means it will probably be my default power, move the rhino 6, snipe out the top. JotWW is there for Fexes, orks, other large multi wound targets.

TROOPS

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun - 105 Points - Cheap and reliable.

Rhino - 35 Points

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, 2 x Melta Guns - 180 Points - Cheap unit set for rhino rushes.

Rhino - 35 Points

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, 2 x Melta Guns - 180 Points - Cheap unit set for rhino rushes.

Rhino - 35 Points

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, 2 x Plasma Guns - 185 Points - This is my holding unit. Sit still Hold off attackers with the plasma guns

ELITES

Dreadnought - Assault Cannon, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Flamer - 115 Points - infantry support. Follow the rhinos and engage when needed. I chose assault cannons over multi meltas for shot volume.

Dreadnought - Assault Cannon, Close Combat Weapon, Heavy Flamer - 115 Points

HEAVY SUPPORT

Predator - Auto Cannon - 60 Points - I find I like to keep Preds moving. I dropped the side sponsons to keep this cheap. Its an annoyance unit, relatively hard to kill but should be able to take out a few targets of opportunity at range.

Predator - Twin Linked Las Cannon - 105 Points - Cheap Tank sniper unit. Its there to pick of armor at range.

Vindicator - 115 Points - Still the king of tanks. Great at everything and dirt cheap.

Thoughts on Lords of Terra

This July I will be attending the Lords of Terra tournament in North Sydney. It 1750 Points and is run with both an open tournament and an Invitational which I will be attending.

Since My current army is my first army and not the best painted I wanted to try something new to showcase my skills. As this is an invitational I don't feel the need to water down my lists like I would normally. I Don't feel the same need to take something that is Fun as well as competitive.

But what to take

Space Wolves: I could easily take Mech space wolves Wolf Guard Battle Leader, Run Priest, 55 Grey Hunters, 6 Rhinos, 3 Predators, Dreadnought.

I could Also field Wolf Wing. Logan Grimnar, Njall and 25 Wolf Guard Terminators.

Then I was think Blood Angels. I could probably run a very fast and vicious army ofChaplain, 30 Assault Marines, 10 Death Company, 3 Bike squads.

Or I could try to get my ultra marines up and running w/ Marneus Calgar, Librarian, 5 Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield Terminators, Land Raider, 2 Marine Squads in Rhinos, Drop Podding Stern Guard, A thunder Fire Cannon and a whirl wind.

And then there is guard. 2 Valkeries, 2 Leman Ruses, a Collosus, 3 Sentinels, fill with infantry.

So what would you take? 1750 points, Composition is not a factor.

Space Wolves - 1500 Points - for Let Gosford Burn

Quick list idea. Pending cash

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Frost Axe, Storm Shield

Rune Priest - Chooser of the slain, Tempests wrath, Jaws of the World Wolf

Rune Priest - Chooser of the slain, Living Lightning, Jaws of the World Wolf

Troops

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun

Razor Back - Storm Bolter

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun

Rhino - Additional Storm Bolter

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun

Rhino - Additional Storm Bolter

5 Grey Hunters - Plasma Gun

Razor Back - Storm Bolter

5 Grey Hunters - Plasma Gun

Razor Back - Twin Linked Las cannon

5 Grey Hunters - Plasma Gun

Razor Back - Twin Linked Las cannon

Heavy Support

Predator - Storm Bolter

Predator - Storm Bolter

Predator - Twin Linked Las cannon

BiV List Test game Result - List Submission

Finally tested my BiV list out last night.

Mission: Kill Points

Deployment: Spear Head

Opponent: Mostly Infantry Blood Angels

Result: DRAW

This was something I didn't expect. We both formed up and after some initiail skirmishes we ended up 24 inches away from each other in almost straight lines. niether willing to make the first move forward. I probably should have moved 5 inches forward in the hope of drawing him in but for some reason I though that would put me in assault range.

Everything did its job well, I lost both assault squads and 1 tactical squad. My oponent lost a land speeder, assault squad and bike squad.

Battle in the Vines Army List in detail

Here's the list I'm trying out tonight. I don't remember if this started as a dare, a bet or just some us talking about how different it would be on the way home for last years biv.

Red Skulls Second Company - 2000 Points

HQ

Captain - Relic Blade, Bolt Pistol - 130 Points

His job is to give me a little CC support. Not my first choice of HQ and I was tempted to give him nothing but then decided if I was going to run him at least run him well

TROOPS

2 x 10 Tactical Marines - Melta, Multi Melta - 175 Points Each

Land raider insurance.

4 x 10 Tactical Marines - Flamer, Missile Launcher - 170 Points Each

Basic do everthing work horse unit.

FAST ATTACK

2 x 10 Assault Marines - 190 Points Each

My shock troops. They are there to screen the Tactical Marines and counter assault, also to chase squishy targets and Krak grenade tanks.

HEAVY SUPPORT

2 x 10 Devestator Marines - 4 x Missile Launchers - 230 Points Each

I origonally had a mix of missiles, heavy bolters and multi meltas. However I feel that 54 bolt guns should provide enough anti infantry. The missiles are good for MC's and decent at popping tanks at range.

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Re Cap

101 Bolt Pistols

101 Krak Grenades

54 Bolt Guns

12 Missile Launchers

4 Flamers

2 Melta Guns

2 Multi Meltas

1 Relic Blade

Let me know what you think.

Project Update- Space Wolves and Plans in General

Gosford Good Games List

Due to time constraints I'm changing up my list.

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Frost Blade, Storm Shield - 125 Points

Rune Priest - JotWW, Living Lightning, Chooser of the Slain - 110 Points

Troops

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun - 105 Points

Razor Back - 40 Points

5 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Melta Gun - 105 Points

Rhino - 35 Points

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, 2 x Melta Gun - 180 Points

Rhino - 35 Points

10 Grey Hunters - 2 x Plasma Guns - 160 Points

Elites

Dreadnought - Multi Melta, CCW, Heavy Flamer - 115 Points

Dreadnought - Twin Linked Lascannon, CCW, Storm Bolter - 135 Points

Dreadnought - Twin Linked Auto Cannon, CCW, Heavy Flamer, 125 Points

Heavy Support

Vindicator - 115 Points

Vindicator - 115 Points

May get hit with the comp stick but I'll talk to the TO before submitting.

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Blood Angels

At this point I'm hoping for an army completely comprised of Jump Infantry, bikes and and drop podding Stern Guard and Dreads. I have 20 Assault marines ready, another 10 in pieces.

Aurora Chapter

Scrapped for now. My change to an Iron Hands army w/ tactical squads backed up by multiple thunder fires.

Black Templars

I have 30 Scouts, 30 Terminators and 40 space marines sitting around so this is a possibility

Red Skulls (Khorne Chaos Space Marines)

I have 16 berzerkers, kharne and a daemon prince assembled. Need more zerkers and some rhinos, maybe a blood thirster. I would also like 3 defilers. Big scary chaos armies.

Mentor Legion

I have a number of terminators set asside in case they ever re-release Dark angels.

634th Cadian Desert force

pending cash to buy tanks. Going for armor heavy. Valks, Sentinels, Ruses, Artillery, chimeras.

Army I want will cost me around $800 AU and have 18 pieces of armor at 2000 points.

Other armies I want to persue

- Khorne Deamons

- Blazing Skull Orks - Sneaky Pyromaniacs

- Tau infantry heavy force

- Daemon Hunters

- Thousand Sons

Priority

Space Wolves for end of May

Space Wolves or Blood Angels for July

C4 Results - 5th Place

Most of the army show above. Game 1. Kill Points, Pitched Battle Vs Dark Eldar

Drop Pod Assault with Stern Guard.


Game in full swing
And finally above my opponent sole surviving model .

Result - 3+ WIN

Nids next against my mentor and club leader Damien Carter. Tervigon, Hive Tyranants, Morlocks, Gene Steelers. Nids coming out of everywhere, 5 MC's each at T6 w/ 6 wounds.

Mission was 4 objectives, DoW. Something I new I would struggle in
Early success with a drop pod

Death by Morlock


Result - LOSS BY WIPE OUT
My third opponent and club mate Lee.
Deamons, He also took out best painted, unfortunately I forgot to take photos of his army.

Mission: Pitched Battle, Get into your opponents deployment zone

Result - 3+ WIN
GAME 4 - Vs Eldar, King of the hill (Hold the Centre), Spear Head

My Forces Holding the centre




Late game tank shocks from the wave serpents cost me 2nd place.

RESULT - DRAW

Full list

Place-Name-Army-Points-Prize

01.Damien Carter, Tyranids, 86, 1st
02.Darren Caid, Dark Eldar, 69, 2nd
03.DarrenHead, CSM, 68.5, 3rd
04.Jake Procter, Necrons, 68, Best Junior
05.Chad Mac, Space Marines, 67
06.Josh Dart, CSM, 66.5
07.Ben Medbury,CSM, 65.5
08.Lee Broad, Daemons, 64.5, Best Painted
09.Juels Staff, Space Marines, 63.5
10.Ayden Tate, Space Marines, 61
11.David Aston, Eldar, 59.5
12.Lee Connor, Eldar, 59, Best Comp
13.Daniel Hale, Daemon Hunters, 57.5
14.Guy Townsend, CSM, 57
15.Noel Leslie, Imperial Guard, 57
16.Will Kenedy, Space Marines, 56.5, Best Sports
17.James Merch, Imperial Guard, 52
18.Nick Bennett, Space Wolves, 50.5
19.Travis Coleman, Space Marines, 44
20.Hayden Booth, Imperial Guard, 41.5
21.Francisco Suazo, CSM, 37.5, Worst Dice
22.Stuart Collier, Space Marines, 34

ARMY LIST ANALYSIS

HQ

Librarian - One trick pony, Cheap, Drops, Flames, Tries to port, Dies. Looking for an alternative

TROOPS

Tactical Squad - Flamer, Missile - Missile was ineffective, flamer was ok

Rhino - did its job

Tactical Squad - Flamer, Missile - Missile was ineffective, flamer was ok

Rhino - did its job

Tactical Squad - Flamer, Missile - Missile was ineffective, flamer was ok

Will be switching to space wolves with a new model in mind

ELITES

Dreadnought - Multi Melta, CCW, Storm Bolter - Missed the flamer. Multi Melta was ok but not game breaking

Dreadnought - Plasma Cannon, CCW, Storm Bolter - Would have been better with a Twin-Linked Auto cannon. I didn't face any 3+ infantry all day, Plasma cannon mainly took out light tanks and walkers

Heavy Support

Whirl Wind - Moments of goodness, not greatness

Predator - Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolter - Was ok, Las cannons would have been better.

Thunder Fire Cannon - Awesome. Seemed to be able to consistently deliver 20+ wounds a turn,and in one turn managed to do 35 Wounds.

Although I will miss the thunder fire I am hoping that the increased effectiveness of basic infantry in my Space Wolves list will make up for it. I know I promised more detail and more photos but a lack of sleep and a need to concentrate on the game at hand made that difficult.

4 Weeks till Battle in the Vines in the town of Greta in the Hunter Valley Region of NSW. Army is painted, Magnetized and ready to go. 7 Weeks after that is the Good Games Gosford Tournament where I hope to debut my space wolves.

Space Wolves - 1500 Points - For Tournament

Just a quick list for the upcoming tournament at Good Games in Gosford

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Frost Blade, Storm Shield, Melta Bombs - 130 Points

Troops

10 Grey Hunters- Power Fist, 2 x Melta Guns - 180 Points

Rhino - Additional Storm Bolter - 45 Points

10 Grey Hunters- Power Fist, 2 x Melta Guns - 180 Points

Rhino - Additional Storm Bolter - 45 Points

5 Grey Hunters- Power Fist, 1 x Melta Gun - 105 Points

Razor Back - Storm Bolter - 50 Points

10 Grey Hunters- 2 x Plasma Guns - 160 Points

ELITES

Dreadnought - Multi Melta, CCW,Heavy Flamer- 115 Points

Dreadnought - Twin Linked Auto Cannon, CCW, Heavy Flamer, 125 Points

Dreadnought - Twin Linked Las Cannon, CCW, Storm Bolter - 135 Points

Heavy Support

Vindicator - 115 Points

Vindicator - 115 Points

Space Wolf Codex VS Marine Codex

Last night I was asked an interesting question. "You already have a marine army, so why make a separate Space Wolf Army?"

Lets look at the basic building blocks I use for a marine list and compare those to the SW one

HQ's

Captain Vs Wolf Lord - Comparable. Very similar

Captain Vs Wolf Guard Battle Leader - 40 Points cheaper. But no invul. But I can give him a storm shield. 1 point to space wolves

Librarian Vs Rune Priest - I may cop flack for this but I like the librarian alot more

ELITES

Wolf Guard VS Terminators - Wolf guard are more flexible, cheaper and all round better

Wolf Guard VS Stern Guard - Stern guard by a mile. Their special issue ammo gives them an edge

TROOPS

Tactical Squad Vs Grey Hunters - GH are cheaper, have more attacks, can take wolf standards and have a second, free, special weapon. Tactical Squads have higher leadership, get a heavy weapon and can combat squad. For my style of play the combat squadding and heavy weapon don't add much. I rarely use either, Grey Hunters all over

The rest of the dex is either very similar or add ons that will only work if you have these basic building blocks in place.

So why take the Space Marine Codex?

1. Stern Guard - Flexible, reliable and deadly

2. Thunder Fire Cannon - I love this unit. Again flexible and deadly

And now I start to struggle. I'm really starting to think my days of using the marine dex are at an end. Let me know your thoughts.

A couple of lists

So here are my lists that I'm working on.

Central Coast Corsairs Cup - 1500 Points - this Saturday

C: SM, Red Skulls Chapter - Fire Support Detatchment

HQ

Librarian -Bolt Pistol, Force Staff, Avenger, Gate of Infinity - 100 Points

TROOPS
Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Rhino - 35 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher - 170 Points

Rhino - 35 Points

ELITES

Dreadnought - Multi Melta, CCW, Storm Bolter - 105 Points

Dreadnought - Plasma Cannon, CCW, Storm Bolter - 115 Points

10 Stern Guard - 3 x Combi Meltas, 2 x Heavy Flamers - 285

Drop Pod

HEAVY SUPPORT

Whirl Wind - 85 Points

Thunder Fire Cannon - 100 Points

Predator - Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolter - 95 Points

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Battle in the Vines - 2000 Points - April 10-11 - Testing Next Thursday

C:SM, Red Skulls Chapter - 2nd Company

HQ

Captain - Bolt Pistol, Relic Blade - 130 Points

TROOPS

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Flamer, Missile Launcher -170 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Melta Gun, Multi Melta -175 Points

Tactical Squad - Sgt w/ Bolt Pistol, Melta Gun, Multi Melta -175 Points

FAST ATTACK

Assault Squad - 10 Man - 190 Points

Assault Squad - 10 Man - 190 Points

HEAVY SUPPORT

Devestator Squad - 10 Man - 4 x Missile Launcher - 230 Points

Devestator Squad - 10 Man - 4 x Missile Launcher - 230 Points

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Unnamed Gosford Good Games Tournament - May or June - 1000 Points

C:SM - Aurora Chapter - Light Infanty Force

HQ

Captain - Thunder Hammer, Bolt Pistol - 130 Points

TROOPS

Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Missile Launcher - 180 Points

Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Heavy Bolter - 180 Points

Razor Back - twin Link Las Cannon - 75 Points

Tactical Squad - Plasma Gun, Missile Launcher - 180 Points

Razor Back - twin Link Las Cannon - 75 Points

HEAVY SUPPORT

Predator - Auto Cannon, Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolter - 95 Points

Whirl Wind - 85 Points

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Lords Of Terra - July - 1750 Points - Testing Tonight

C: SW - Shock Force

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Saga of the Beast Slayer

ELITES

Dreadnought - twin linked auto cannon, Heavy Flamer

3 x Wolf Guard - All in terminator Armor - 2 Wolf Claws, Power Fist and Storm Bolter, Power Fist and Combi Plasma

Land Raider Crusader - Storm Bolter, Multi Melta

TROOPS

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, 2 Melta Guns, Wolf Standard

10 Grey Hunters - 2 x Plasma Guns, Wolf Standard

8 Grey Hunters - Melta Gun, Wolf Standard

Drop Pod

8 Grey Hunters - Plasma Gun, Wolf Standard

Drop Pod

HEAVY SUPPORT

Vindicator

Vindicator

Predator - Auto Cannon, Las Cannons

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Feed back appreciated, let me know what you think

10 Minute Noob Guide to Space Wolves

here are my quick picks out the dex.

HQ

Wolf Guard Battle leaders - under priced by about 15 points. Easy to use, good all round choice, best of the bunch

Wolf Priest - I can see potential

Rune Priest - I haven't seen as many of these around as I'd expect. I haven't tried one yet because of the amount of people who think they are over powered.

Logan Grimnar - I like the idea of wolf wing in games of about 2000 points plus but I think they lack the bodies they need to survive the wound generator list being played in my local area.

Elites

Dreadnoughts - Still giving good support and anti tank. The ability to move and shoot puts this on a par with the Predator.

Wolf Guard - This is a min or max choice. Either a handful for controlling troops or as I am in the LOT list to get a Land Raider as a transport or go for a multiple of 5 for the assault cannons, heavy flamers and cyclone missile launchers.

Wolf Scouts - I love the idea, I just haven't found a way to squeeze them in yet.

TROOPS

Grey Hunters - Pure awesome. 2 Special weapons (1 free), Wolf standards are great, and you can attach wolf guard. I have 50 in the works, will probably end up with 60 before I call this army finished.

Blood Claws - Its not that they're bad, it just that grey hunters are better and cost the same points.

Rhino - You will need to be able to transport 10 men. razors are better for C:SM, rhinos for C:SW

Drop Pod - Get your men in the thick of it. You have counter attack and a wolf standard so getting assaulted is not always a bad thing.

FAST ATTACK

I am not a fan of fast attack for marines, I either do it big (C:BA) or not at all.

Swift claws and Sky claws are ok, but I'm saving mine till I see the BA Dex.

I'm still not a fan of land speeders either.

HEAVY SUPPORT

Long Fangs - Love the shooting at 2 targets, the only draw back is the lack of bullet catchers.

Predator - Love them

Vindicator - Still under priced by about 40 points

Land raiders - Bullet Magnets. make a great distraction.

IF I WAS STARTING AGAIN FROM SCRATCH

this would be my shopping list

5 SW Terminators

5 x SW Boxes.

3 x Rhinos

1 x Land Raider

2 x Vindicators

2 x Dreadnoughts

This would give you 2000 points. and a good mix of anti Horde, Anti MC/Heavy Infantry and anti tank.

SPACE WOLVES UPDATE w/Pics, and new test model

Latest List for LOT (1750 Points)

Wolf Guard Battle Leader - Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, saga of the beast slayer - Gave up on the chainfist, wassn't happy with the right handed storm shield

3 x Wolf Guard - 2 x Wolf Claws, Storm Bolter and Power Fist, Combi Plasma and Power Fist

Land Raider Crusader - Multi Melta, Storm Bolter

Dreadnought - Twin linked Auto Cannon, Heavy Flamer

10 Grey Hunters - Power Fist, Wolf Standard, 2 x Melta Guns

10 Grey Hunters - Wolf Standard, 2 x Plasma Guns

8 Grey Hunters - Wolf Standard, Melta Gun

Drop Pod

8 Grey Hunters - Wolf Standard, Plasma Gun

Drop pod

2 x Vindicators

1 x Predator - Auto Cannon, Las Cannon Sponsons

Done in a rush so I didn't rotate the pics

And now an Aroura Chapter Test Mini. Shoulder trim color vary's depending on what you read. Some say black, some say the same a ultra marines. I went with white. I think it works better.

I tried orange on the gun but it looked like it should have "Nerf" written on it. Grey seems to work.